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Chris Roehl Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 42 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: One annoyance in Leopard with PowerCADD Arial in Leopard is a Unicode font, evidently this is different enough that if you had any Arial in any previous drawings, it will prompt you that Arial is not available and do a font substitution with Times. The advantage to being Unicode is that it will look identical on Windows as it does on Mac. I just change it all to Helvetica. So far that is the only issue I'm seeing, no problems with files on servers and so forth, (although I am installing Leopard Server soon, we'll see then I guess)
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pbacot Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 958 Location: Northern California	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: I had the same problem with Arial simply switching to a new computer in Tiger. It seems an Arial.ttf was added. This is actually a real problem if you have used Arial in every drawing for the last couple years like I have. I removed the new Arial.ttf and problem solved. Perhaps I will not be able to do so in Leopard. In '88 I started out using Helvetica but found that in prints numbers were hard to differentiate without study. _________________ Peter B
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erikmar Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:12 am    Post subject: This is a huge problem which I've also noticed. I had isolated it incorrectly as relating to PC versions, but it may be OS related as Chris notes. If you use Linotype's free and excellent Font Explorer, you can enable both the TrueType and Unicode versions of Arial and find that it makes no difference - PC will not correctly recognize either. If you try to work around the problem by using only Arial in the entire drawing, you can select all and switch it from Times back to Arial, but you'll find that most text has shifted slightly, which is really annoying. This could be in another maintenance release, since the list of changes for the last one was almost comically short: http://www.engsw.com/downloads/updates/pc7changelog.html [/img]
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Chris Roehl Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 42 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: The real problem comes from not being able to replace it at the system level. I tried replacing the Unicode .OTF Arial with the old one and no luck. It either doesn't let you replace it, or if it says it does, it really doesn't. I don't see it as much of a problem as it is somewhat inconvenient, I've always been able to use the magic wand to switch it out without too much work. And being that our standard is to use Helvetica it simply points out to me where someone else had used the wrong font to start with. The benefit going to the new .otf Arial is that when I do conversions to .dwg for consultants, it looks better, (not good, just better)
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Les Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Portland, OR	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Arial font What are you talking about? All my drawings are in Arial from Tiger. Now I have Leopard installed and I can open the drawings with no substitutions of fonts requested. The text is still in Arial when I look at it. It saves just fine that way. Please explain. Am I doing something right? _________________ lg
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Les Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Portland, OR	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Arial Font I would like to mention that Helvetica is very problematic on the Windows platform and many municipalities use Arial as the CAD standard if ACAD fonts are not used. Also, many users do not have Helvetica installed. Various versions of Helvetica exist each with slightly different spacing. Translating PC files with DWG to ACAD is a major problem with Helvetica. Font alignment becomes a major headache if you have a lot of drawings and you change from Arial to Helvetica. If this Arial problem is real then it is not an option for us to change to Helvetica or Times. Time for a service upgrade? _________________ lg
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dwm Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 572	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: I had the Arial font issue on one install of Leopard but not the other. One was an update on my everyday working system, the other a clean install for my developer system. The update install doesn't have the font issue, the clean install does. I tried removing and installing older fonts too but it doesn't work. As soon I have time to dig deeper I'll post a solution, if I find one. For now do the update install of Leopard, if that's not too late. _________________ David Mousley Developer of copyCat for PowerCADD It's Intel Native and it's Universal Software PowerCADD 6 thru 8 compatible Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard compatible copyCat
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poolvibe Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 368 Location: My Lair	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: I had the same issues, Had to re asign fonts to my templates and resave. Kindof a pita but doable. _________________ www.shouldbefree.net
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Chris Roehl Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 42 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Arial Font Les wrote: I would like to mention that Helvetica is very problematic on the Windows platform and many municipalities use Arial as the CAD standard if ACAD fonts are not used. Also, many users do not have Helvetica installed. Various versions of Helvetica exist each with slightly different spacing. Translating PC files with DWG to ACAD is a major problem with Helvetica. Font alignment becomes a major headache if you have a lot of drawings and you change from Arial to Helvetica. If this Arial problem is real then it is not an option for us to change to Helvetica or Times. Time for a service upgrade? I'm aware of that (I pointed it out 2 times in previous posts here) But seeing that every municipality I work with uses PDF files, I don't mess with ACAD all that often, Helvetica is a standard font on the Macintosh so I know all the Mac people I work with use it, totally personal choice in this case office standard, likely because Arial as proven to be problematic in the past because there are many versions of it as well, and until the Unicode version came out, Arial on the Mac and PC didn't space the same anyway.
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Chris Roehl Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 42 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:43 am    Post subject: dwm wrote: I had the Arial font issue on one install of Leopard but not the other. One was an update on my everyday working system, the other a clean install for my developer system. The update install doesn't have the font issue, the clean install does. I tried removing and installing older fonts too but it doesn't work. As soon I have time to dig deeper I'll post a solution, if I find one. For now do the update install of Leopard, if that's not too late. Very interesting find, but totally explains everything, I did a fresh install on a new drive in mine and used Data Migration Assistant to move everything over, just in case there was major problems, I could easily switch back to the other drive. But I've found no real issues so far.
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