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colin hewitt
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 Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: copying from a common point over sheets |
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hello again all
if i can't use reference files successfully can anyone suggest a way that i can copy my drawing sheets over pages (pages breaks on) so that they are in the same location on each sheet please?
hope this makes sense
thank you once more in advance
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pbacot
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Are you trying to place your drawing border in consecutive pages? I don't know of a way to do this except by eye. Usually I work in page one, the upper left page and use sheet setups for different sheets. This has the drawback of always working in the upper left corner, a common gripe against PowerCADD. Another technique is to setup your border, using points etc. so that it prints correctly with "print selection". This has it's own drawbacks-- in the steps needed to print, but you can set your print area anywhere in the drawing.
Why did you start using PowerCADD? Curious. These are some of the shortcomings.
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colin hewitt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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thank you peter
finding hard to believe that there isn't a decent way to do this
especially as when i looked into using references there was mention of origin points (usually top left 0,0)
maybe there's not a way to do it?
will keep hunting as it is infuriating having to do it by eye
started using powerCADD because i changed jobs
can see the graphical benefits but...
thanks for your trouble
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pbacot
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You only need to set it up in your stationery once.
The only reason I have found to use the consecutive pages is for something like elevations where comparison (and easy sharing of objects) between different drawings (which may be on different sheets) is helpful. But I tend to use the "print selection" technique for this too. Again, once you have made a border that prints correctly you don't have to set it up again.
If you are trying to print portions of the same continuous drawing, I think you have to use the second method, with masking.
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colin hewitt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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as the drawings contain multiple elevations with lots of shared objects the tendency here is to have multiple drawing frames
the sheets method is adopted for showing different layouts of the same space i.e. GA, finishes, flooring, lighting, rcp...
it is usefull to line up things over multiple pages but it bugs me that the drawing frames will not be in exactly the same position
mmmm
cheers again peter |
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jasonlocher
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: Re: copying from a common point over sheets |
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| colin hewitt wrote: | hello again all
if i can't use reference files successfully can anyone suggest a way that i can copy my drawing sheets over pages (pages breaks on) so that they are in the same location on each sheet please?
hope this makes sense
thank you once more in advance
colin |
Colin - I see what you are doing based on Autocad's copy from point / insert at point function. Are you copying elements from one drawing to another? Or just duplicating them on additional layers in the same drawing (sheets)? |
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pbacot
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Colin,
I think it will be imperceptible in the print. But if you want to be more exact, it can be done. It is more to explain than to do. You can draw a line from edge to edge that you can use to measure the page spaces by dividing evenly.
You can use shift constrain while moving to keep the border even in the other dimension. Let me know if you want more info.
Peter
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Michael Wolfe
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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One method, which is far more complicated/time consuming to describe than to actually do, (I do this on a "work" layer and keep the reference lines in the drawing):
1. In Layout/Drawing Setup/Size: Turn on only one page
2. Draw a vertical line and drag (move) it to the right page edge as far as you can.
3. Tun on the next page to the right and repeat 2 above for that page.
4. Draw a horizontal line from the right edge of the 1st page above to the right page edge of the 2nd page above. Trim this line to the 2 vertical lines drawn in 2 & 3 above. Keep this line as a reference line for horizontal direction and length.
5. Draw a horizontal line on the first page and move it to the bottom page edge limit
6. Turn on the next page down and draw and locate a corresponding horizontal line on the bottom edge of that page
7. Draw and trim a vertical reference line from the bottom of page one to the bottom of page two.
Once you have these reference lines you have the data needed to move items to corresponding locations from page to page.
I use the Wildtools linear move tool to do this. Once you have set up the reference lines they are extremely easy and efficient to use with many types of related drawings and their components-- and of course for title blocks symbols etc. |
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How Goes It
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Sounds like you have a large drawing using a number of smaller cut sheets to make up a big drawing. Is this what you're doing? I.E., you want some graphics or text at the same locale on each adjacent cut sheet?
So if you are using 8 1/2 x 11 cut sheets to make up a bigger drawing for example, then use the Move Window and set Delta X for 8 1/2, and Delta Y for 11. Switch these if you have the paper in landscape orientation.
Select what you want -- DUPLICATE -- and then press the horizontal arrows (set for 8 1/2) on the Move Window to move laterally. And press the up arrow (set for 11) on the Move Window to move up, and press the down arrow to move down.
In brief ----- Use DUPLICATE and the MOVE WINDOW, with Delta dimensions set for whatever paper size you are using.
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Michael Wolfe
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I have used the technique described above, on occasion, to do building elevations and sections at the same scale, over numerous sheets, within one file. There are numerous advantages in terms of looking at the building as a whole and coordinating like information.
The sheet size doesn't matter, because the pages are sized to the sheet. for example 24" vertical by 36" horizontal works fine |
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How Goes It
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Colin,
Again, if I'm understanding you correctly, that you are using smaller cut sheets to make up a larger print --- then the above explanation I gave will work PROVIDED your printer is NO BLEED (will print to the edge of the paper -- i.e., borderless)
On the other hand, if you're using a printer that HAS A BORDER, then --
1) open up DRAWING SETUP and select SIZE
2) By clicking in the PREVIEW window, select ONE PAGE ONLY
3) Take note of the WIDTH & HEIGHT
4) in the MOVE WINDOW, enter this Width for Delta X, and Height for Delta Y
5) Back in Drawing Setup, select the overall drawing size you want
6) Use the technique I described using the Move Window in my above post.
Using my cut sheet printer that prints with borders ---
In PowerCADD I used DUPLICATE and the MOVE window to place a graphic at the same location on each adjacent page of a 36 x 24 drawing, which is shown below
Note that the bottom row of pages is lesser in height than if I would have used whole sheets on this row, which would have made the drawing 36 x 24.75
Steve
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How Goes It
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| colin hewitt wrote: | | there was mention of origin points (usually top left 0,0) |
REGARDING ORIGIN
1) Make sure you have Rulers turned on under Drawing Setup : Show
2) Move your cursor to the upper left corner of the drawing window where the vertical & horizontal rulers meet
3) At this intersection, press and & hold down the mouse button, then drag out a new location for 0,0
4) Use snaps to precisely locate the origin to a part of an object, if desired
| colin hewitt wrote: | | it is usefull to line up things over multiple pages |
REGARDING ALIGNMENT
Here are 5 different ways
SNAP
Holding down the letter A turns on an Alignment Snap
GUIDELINES
Make sure Rulers & Guidelines are selected under Drawing Setup : Show
You can pull Guidelines out of the Rulers
The Projection Tool creates Guidelines at the extents of an object along whichever axis you choose.
Use Snaps to align to Guidelines.
TOOLS
The Projection Tool creates Guidelines at the extents of an object along whichever axis you choose.
The Projection Line Tool creates hash marks along any segment you choose.
MENU COMMANDS
Under the Arrange Menu ---
1) Align command with its' different choices
2) Align... command which brings up a dialogue that gives numerous possibilities
SHIFT KEY
If you're in the process of Duplicating and Moving something, you can constrain the move to be aligned along either the X or Y axis, by holding down the SHIFT key as you drag the object.
1) Start dragging your object
2) During the drag, press and hold down Shift until after you complete the drag and release the mouse button
Hope this helps,
Steve |
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