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Jeffrey Jakucyk
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 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:21 am Post subject: Are Snaps Ever Useful in the Zoom Tool? |
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| When you use the Zoom Tool to draw a window to zoom to, your cursor will snap to any objects it finds, just like all the other tools. I find this somewhat annoying, and it makes zooming in this way feel choppy and slow. It's possible to get around it by holding down the Command key while drawing the rectangle, but that's uncomfortable and an unnecessary step, IMO. Does anyone here find it useful to have snaps enabled in that tool? The only reason I could think of is if you plan to print to window, but it still seems like more of an annoyance than anything. |
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ms
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:42 am Post subject: |
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I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying that whenever the drawing is zoomed you want the cursor snap off? Am I mis-understanding the question?
If so, this has become so automatic to me- using my left thumb to hit the command key, defeating the snap- that I don't notice it anymore. Maybe it could be better- but I'm comfortable with it now.
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Basically, yes. Why would snaps need to be on when you're zooming? They're not on when you're panning. |
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ms
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Guess I'm confused. what does 'while you are zooming' mean? are you talking about during the screen re-draw? or?
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Jeffrey Jakucyk
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| No, geeze, while you're drawing the zoom rectangle. |
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philloheed
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Location: Somerville, MA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Jeffrey Jakucyk wrote: | | Basically, yes. Why would snaps need to be on when you're zooming? They're not on when you're panning. |
If you use the WildTools Zoomer, you will automatically disable snaps (due to using the Option + Command keys to invoke Zoomer). In addition, you will save the mouse moves or keystrokes needed to select the Zoom Tool.
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pbacot
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Location: Northern California
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:15 am Post subject: ARE SNAPS USEFUL? |
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Actually I find that leaving object snaps on is annoying. I use key snaps. The fact that ES has chosen to make object snaps on a default has probably conflused and slowed the development of many of a drafter as they tried to work with the cursor jumping all around.
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Alfred Scott
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Like any setting on your computer, there are lots of things that get turned on and off in the course of things. Snapping is just one of many.
The best example is a tool like the Trim or Fillet tool, where you are expected to click on an object. It's essential that the tool turn snaps off when you click, or a grid snap or vertex snap can 'move' the click point off the object that you are clicking on. You won't believe how horrible it is until you see a tool with snapping handled the wrong way.
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JohnMorse
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Location: Birmingham, AL
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: ARE SNAPS USEFUL? |
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| pbacot wrote: | | Actually I find that leaving object snaps on is annoying. I use key snaps. The fact that ES has chosen to make object snaps on a default has probably conflused and slowed the development of many of a drafter as they tried to work with the cursor jumping all around. |
I agree. Every time I bring this up somebody tells me I must be drawing sloppily without snapping. I do snap. I snap all over the place. Almost everything I do is either snapped or moved with the move window or mirrored off a centerline. But that damn automatic active snap cursor is an annoyance. 4 times out of 5 I have to override it with a snap key anyway. And since key snaps is ingrained habit, I just don't need that pest.
Finally in PCadd 6 "object snap" is supposed to remember that it's turned off. But still, at least once every day or so I find that little red magnet yanking me around and I have to open up the drawing setup snaps pane to remind it that it's supposed to be off. (I suspect that opening any drawing with it turned on turns it on in all open drawings, and/or pasting objects into a drawing with it turned on turns it on in the active drawing. Since it's on by default, this includes all translated drawings)
Ok. I'm done now. Sorry for the mostly OT rant. |
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Alfred Scott
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Finally in PCadd 6 "object snap" is supposed to remember that it's turned off. But still, at least once every day or so I find that little red magnet yanking me around and I have to open up the drawing setup snaps pane to remind it that it's supposed to be off. |
What's probably happening here is that the currently selected tool has turned snapping off. Before you go to change something, first switch to the selection arrow or any drawing tool.
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JohnMorse
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Alfred -
I'm confused. The checkbox for "object" on the snaps pane of the drawing layout dialogue is affected by which tools are active? When the object snap behavior sneaks up on me, I go back to that pane and the box has mysteriously obtained a checkmark. So I uncheck it and all is well until the next time it sneaks back.
The way it *feels* is that Bill Stanley is sneaking into my office when I have my head turned and resetting the preference to keep me from bad habits.
In what circumstances should I be able to reproduce this mysterious re-activation of the object snap preference without actually clicking in the box? |
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Alfred Scott
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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John,
Lots of tools turn it off temporarily, but none of them should turn it back on if you didn't have it on in the first place.
So it comes down to finding where it's happening. I can assure you, it is 100% repeatable. The problem is finding the exact sequence of events, which can often be maddening to the extreme.
I assume you know that all programmers are a bit over-the-edge as a normal state of being...
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Bill Stanley
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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No I wouldn’t sneak into your office. Shucks since I have so many bad habits that the habbits must be supported.
However if someone can describe the circumstances that snaps are toggled the issue will get attention for version seven.
Thanks for any clues that can be provided.
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jasonlocher
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Location: Austin, Texas
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: ARE SNAPS USEFUL? |
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| pbacot wrote: | | Actually I find that leaving object snaps on is annoying. I use key snaps. The fact that ES has chosen to make object snaps on a default has probably conflused and slowed the development of many of a drafter as they tried to work with the cursor jumping all around. |
I couldn't agree more. I want to tell the application where to snap, not have the application tell me where to snap. Every user I have trained has thought this is quite an annoyance. If I turn it off, stay off. Turning it off should get rid of the snaps while zooming.... I assume. |
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