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Rob C
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 Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: OT: ACAD on Intel Macs |
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I don't know why it wouldn't work, but an engineer friend said he thought ACAD didn't work on Macs and I didn't know if he was working on ancient history or new information. Anyone had any experience trying to run ACAD with Fusion or Bootcamp or the like?
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huc
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I run it under Leopard using Parallels in XP Pro -- works well enough for my needs |
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raleighross
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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AutoCAD is now Windows only. Has been so for a long time.
While it does not run on OS X it will run on Windows under BootCamp, Parallels, and/or Fusion. I have two offices that keep a copy of AutoCAD Lite running in such a manner just to deal with issues that come up from time to time.
Now I think I have a version around here in a box somewhere that will install on OS7 or 8 but first I'd have to get the OS installed somewhere.
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Byron Balogh
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| We have two intel macs running AutoCAD LT 2008 quite well. One is on Boot Camp and the other using VM Fusion on a MacBook Pro. Using Boot Camp on a 24" iMac is probably the best Windows XP/AutoCAD experience ever bar none (even IBM PC's). VM Fusion is a bit slower than Boot Camp (even with 4GB RAM), but still very usable. The advantage is having both OS's running at the same time. |
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Antisthenes
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: |
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wouldn't you rather use Intellicad? for the obvious reasons
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Les
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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For everyone's information, we have ACAD 2007 full version and Architectural Desktop 2007 running in Windows XP through Boot Camp just perfect. No problems. The only hitch is that apple does not have a graphics card that will allow ACAD to fully fly to its capabilities. Other than that no problems.
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jasonlocher
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Antisthenes wrote: | | wouldn't you rather use Intellicad? for the obvious reasons |
the only thing I can think of thats worse than Intellicad, is Rhino.
/used Autocad Architect 2008 on a mac pro running parallels XP and it ran beautifully. Make sure you have alot of RAM though. XP tops out at 3 GB. |
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raleighross
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Les wrote: | | For everyone's information, we have ACAD 2007 full version and Architectural Desktop 2007 running in Windows XP through Boot Camp just perfect. No problems. The only hitch is that apple does not have a graphics card that will allow ACAD to fully fly to its capabilities. Other than that no problems. |
I have a hard time believing the graphics cards are not up to snuff. Are you talking MacBook/iMac/MacMini or MacBook Pro/MacPro? There's a huge difference in the graphics cards between these two groups. |
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F700ES
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| raleighross wrote: | | Les wrote: | | For everyone's information, we have ACAD 2007 full version and Architectural Desktop 2007 running in Windows XP through Boot Camp just perfect. No problems. The only hitch is that apple does not have a graphics card that will allow ACAD to fully fly to its capabilities. Other than that no problems. |
I have a hard time believing the graphics cards are not up to snuff. Are you talking MacBook/iMac/MacMini or MacBook Pro/MacPro? There's a huge difference in the graphics cards between these two groups. |
Last I checked a Quadro or Fire GL card was required for full AutoCAD. I think these are only an option on the high end Mac towers. Not available on notebooks or iMacs. Radeons and GeForce cards are not reccomended for full AutoCAD. |
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Rob C
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Thanks everyone. This is first of all about making the argument that an engineer that is otherwise dedicated to ACAD and therefore Windows because of mass consensus can now consider getting a Mac and having the best of both worlds. It's also about the likes of us that occasionally might need to run ACAD because of those outside pressures.
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Antisthenes
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even so Intellicad is ALLOT cheaper(100$ compared to thousands) than autocad and 100% compatible even the commands and lisp.
and you do not need any special video card to run acad.
sure it helps if you have a big complex file and want to move fastest around in it.
that must be a cadtutor rumor F700ES, them and their 'fish' when evangelists run the show always stay skeptical.
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F700ES
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Antisthenes wrote: | even so Intellicad is ALLOT cheaper(100$ compared to thousands) than autocad and 100% compatible even the commands and lisp.
and you do not need any special video card to run acad.
sure it helps if you have a big complex file and want to move fastest around in it.
that must be a cadtutor rumor F700ES, them and their 'fish' when evangelists run the show always stay skeptical. |
You can check the approved hardware for yourself. We have some Geforce cards at work and they are not as smooth nor as fast as the Quadro cards. All I need to see in my book. I have a GF6600GT at home and a Quadro FX3450 at work and it is like night and day. |
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oldguy_longley
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| F700ES wrote: | | [You can check the approved hardware for yourself. We have some Geforce cards at work and they are not as smooth nor as fast as the Quadro cards. All I need to see in my book. I have a GF6600GT at home and a Quadro FX3450 at work and it is like night and day. |
If you check Autodesk's website for Certified Graphic Hardware List, you will indeed find an exhaustive list of 'workstation type cards - especially if one wnats/need to use OpenGL. However.......
Since AutoCAD release 2007 AutoCAD will also utilize equally well M$ Direct X (D3D) graphics pipeline. In which case as D3D is more than supported my so-called gamer cards at large portion of ther AutoCAD "knowledgable" user community are using the "gamer" versions of nvidia or AT cards and either saving the money or putting into other hardware improvements.
And in any case, this would be most appicable to those more involved in 3D work in AutoCAD as versus purely 2D drafting. In which case: I would think miost any Mac Video card would more than suffice, and even with Parallels and VMware implementing d#d support in their VM's even AutoCAd in that environment should be more than workable - video wise
I am an AutoCAD user. I do use AutoCAD with a workstation-clsee card, but do utilize the D3D drivers, not OpenGL - and it "Works"
Just for the record.....  |
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F700ES
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| oldguy_longley wrote: | | F700ES wrote: | | [You can check the approved hardware for yourself. We have some Geforce cards at work and they are not as smooth nor as fast as the Quadro cards. All I need to see in my book. I have a GF6600GT at home and a Quadro FX3450 at work and it is like night and day. |
If you check Autodesk's website for Certified Graphic Hardware List, you will indeed find an exhaustive list of 'workstation type cards - especially if one wnats/need to use OpenGL. However.......
Since AutoCAD release 2007 AutoCAD will also utilize equally well M$ Direct X (D3D) graphics pipeline. In which case as D3D is more than supported my so-called gamer cards at large portion of ther AutoCAD "knowledgable" user community are using the "gamer" versions of nvidia or AT cards and either saving the money or putting into other hardware improvements.
And in any case, this would be most appicable to those more involved in 3D work in AutoCAD as versus purely 2D drafting. In which case: I would think miost any Mac Video card would more than suffice, and even with Parallels and VMware implementing d#d support in their VM's even AutoCAd in that environment should be more than workable - video wise
I am an AutoCAD user. I do use AutoCAD with a workstation-clsee card, but do utilize the D3D drivers, not OpenGL - and it "Works"
Just for the record..... |
I do work heavily in 3D and when I do an orbit with a "game" card the performance hit is very noticeable. I can also see some slight "issues" when working in 3D hide mode in '09. I would rather spend the extra cash and get a "fully" approved card than one that is simply good enough(been there, done that).
Sure if all you do is 2D then by all means don't buy a Quadro card. You'll never see the difference. Why not run your system with OpenGL and full hardware acceleration? If you have the power, use it  |
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